March Lecture – Mesh Potato and wifi mesh 101
Glen and I presnted the Mesh Potato to the Manly Warringah Radio Society this week. We just put the video up on YouTube if your curious.
Mesh Potato field trials
Today was mesh day! Finally we had a few hours free to all get together and do some long distance mesh potato testing. There was a lot going on during the day, and we did some different tests so let me setup things by giving you details of the test environment and what we looked to get out of it.
The test we had in mind was to see how far we can throw decent signals with our stock mesh potato units. We have been playing with them in the confines of a single room for a while now and have them singing and dancing but out in the real world what kind of distances can we get. The ideal way for us to start was to challenge the god’s of wifi and set up our 3 units in a way where they had good spacing apart, and only two units could see each other at a time.
Site A was in Dee Why, being manned by Glen and Dave. This is where we started in the morning to do our testing. Site B was at Long Reef headland, manned by Geoff. Site C was in Collaroy, manned by Carlo. The idea was to get fairly equal spacing between us, but have site B as the man in the middle to mesh Collaroy and Dee Why together. We had 2meter amateur radio handhelds to use for comm’s (with Geoff acting as relay) until we had the mesh up and running for voice.
The setup was the same at each site, a Mesh Potato on a stick of some kind (Squid Poles), Analogue phones for voice and laptops for running network performance testing (iperf / jperf).

Setup

The prius is a little RF noisy, but it is a great car for field work. Very considerate of toyota to place a good quality battery in the back with a flat working surface and a good hatch back for sun protection.
Getting setup wasn’t too painful. All three units are using slightly different methods of power connection which is good for experimentation. The only hiccup was one mesh (the one I was holding onto) had a slightly different firmware to the other units, which may or may not be the reason why it didn’t want to mesh with the other two units. Glen re-flashed my unit with the same software and that resolved the issue. In field use it would be likely that we would all have the same code so no biggie on that one. One thing that we have noticed is flashing the units from a ubuntu virtual machine (with vmware fusion) can throw some funny errors, this time around it didn’t slow us down but it seems a switch in the middle of the equation may see the flashing process work better.)
Glen and Dave had site A up and running very quick. Located at the headland car park it was also one of our most visible sites. The guys got asked a few questions by the locals, some of which jokingly asked if we were installing the NBN. We of course answered yes whilst poorly attempting to hold a deadpan face (We recently found out our suburb’s are not included in the 3 year roll out plan…).
Testing & Results
So the plan was to get the mesh up and running, and once we could ping each other run some tests. Site A and Site B were around 2.1 km apart and connected up. Site B and Site C never connected even after the power was bumped up.

Here you can see the single node connected on the other side, along with Dave's Mac connected up as a client.
Site A and Site B were able to chat away on the analogue phones with a little crackle and line quality issues. Glen being the resident voice comms guru tried a few different codec’s to see if he could improve the voice quality, but it seems most of the issue was the underlying link quality.

Glen making a voice call to Geoff at Site B. A member of the public was heard to be explaining to their companion that they had some idea of what we were up to until the point where Glen starts to make phone calls with an analogue phone.
The link speed bounced around a little too. It didn’t like TCP packets much, but could handle UDP packets much nicer.
Between Site A and Site B the maximum throughput was around 1Meg, but as you can see with the first image below it was short lived. The average generally was closer to between 250 – 500 KBit’s. Remember this is over a 2.1KM link with 2 standard mesh potatos with no external antennas etc etc. For the test Site A was connected to the Mesh Potato via Ethernet, but Site B was connected via wifi.
Dave did some other testing, here you can see ping results from his mac to Geoff’s PC. Not a bad response time when both computers where connected to their respective Mesh Potato’s via wifi. Dave’s Mac could also see Site B’s Mesh Potato in its wireless list, but he couldn’t connect to it.

Glen noticed a failure of the link at one stage during the testing, after looking up he quickly established a potential cause. This little guy really wasn’t too interested in giving up his vantage point.
So what did we learn?
That these things are great radios, and we took them to the edge of their performance today. 2.1km out of a little wifi AP is a great result, and we are very happy with the results. The main lessons learned could be summarised as
- When operating in the field make sure all your units are on the same code.
- 2.1KM is a great result, but ideally these units would be placed closer together or have external antenna’s to improve gain.
- Field operation probably takes a little more preparation on the testing we where going to run. Next time we do a prep hour or so indoors in ideal conditions testing the commands we are going to run and how we are going to record the results.
Things to try / improve
- Run some more controlled area tests to figure out the max throughput of these units.
- Make a prepared list of commands to run directly from the mesh. (Ie, Horst for wifi noise and wlan connection speeds between mesh units)
- Same test as last time, but place Site C in the middle of Site A and Site B. That way we can see how the units mesh, and if they choose the faster path correctly.
- Create a cheat sheet of commands, numbers, IP’s and passwords.
- Figure out if we can write some scripts to query the units and dump results.
- Do a debrief immediately after the tests to get it all down.
Lab Results
Glen ran some tests between his two units across his apartment and found that he could move 15mbit of traffic, so the hardware it self is great.
Here you can see the results Glen got when he did some two way tests between two computers connected to individual mesh potatos that had meshed together. As you can see they can get a very decent throughput, this is 15MBits both way with minimal jitter. Obviously they are in the same room but it shows the hardware is capable of nice things.
Anyway it was a great day out, we had a lot of fun and it was great to nerd it up in the sun.
- And he really didn’t want to leave.
- A very off attenuator.
- The sight of Glen chatting away on a phone connected to a street post had a few people double take. Dave was fielding a few questions from pedestrians, whilst Geoff at Site B had people asking if he was a park ranger.
- Testing everything is working before we go to our sites.
- This is the view out to the headland from Site A. You cant see Geoff, but rest assured he is out there on the headland.
- More cable making..
- Prep – Making Cables. It’s been a while since we did this!
- Site B – Long Reef Headland
- Site C – Collaroy Beach
- The view from Dee Why Headland carpark out to longreef. Nice and clear day for the testing too!
- I just realised that the seagull who crashed out party may have been checking out Dave’s shirt.
- You know how it is, you bring all the stuff you think you need and in the end your having to be creative and googling weird cabling details.
- Ideal scenario, this is the results from Lab testing
An introduction to Mesh Potatos
I guess to introduce this project we need to explain what a Mesh Potato is, and the best way to do that is to quote the villagetelco.com website:
The Mesh Potato is a new device for providing low-cost telephony and Internet in areas where alternative access either doesn’t exist or is too expensive. It is a marriage of a low-cost wireless access point (AP) capable of running a mesh networking protocol with an Analog Telephony Adapter (ATA).
A few members of NERD Polytechnic are amateur radio nerds, and during a meeting of the Manly Warringah Radio Society a few of us where thinking about how we can link our repeater hut to the Society’s clubhouse a few kilometers away. Glen had read a few bits and pieces about a project to create a mesh network using cheap devices and decided we should snap up a few to see if they will do what we want.
I had read a bit about the deployment of mesh networks and emergency networks in response to disasters like the Haiti earthquake so my interests are to see how these devices could be deployed in an emergency, and if we could create a rapid deployment kit of these devices built into suitcases or boxes. We also have had a desire to build a community wireless network between our houses in Sydney since 1998, while broadband has made this idea unnecessary it is something we would love to tick off our technology bucket list.
So with 3 of these units we are able to now start to show those who care to listen how these devices work, how they can be deployed and how flexible they are in their configuration.
The project so far has the following goals.
1. The design and construction of a self contained Mesh Potato deployment, including a solar panel, charger, battery and the mesh potato in a weather proof container that can be bolted up a tree, on a roof top or left at the top of a building.
2. Confirmation of distances we can achieve successful data and voice communication.
3. A stronger understanding of the different software versions, the features and flexibility.
4. Can the mesh potato be combined with a UHF/VHF Radio Repeater and internet access to extend its coverage into valleys etc.
For technical details of the Mesh Potato visit their website - http://villagetelco.org/mesh-potato/
If you wish to join us in our experimentation with these devices come along to one of our monthly meetings.
Carlo








































